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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:46:00 -
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I wish they would get rid of all active SP. The game shouldn't be about grinding it should be about being a mercenary and making a name for yourself. The grind mentality takes away from the game and adds nothing. If you want SP then you should have to wait for it and if you want WP and ISK you should have to play. Greed is bad and all this grinding is nothing more than greed. Grinding is bad and should be frowned upon.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1120
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:23:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote:Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. LinkFor information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? Sorry that I was wrong. I thought they understood the rage that came from the last triple. My stand point comes from the fact that I buy a booster, if I don't cap out I get the feeling of losing money if I'm not getting all that sp. Thats a bad feeling. The July event was great, it was a true triple event, everything tripled, it didn't take additional hour over the standard cap to reach and all were happy. The removal only removes an additional benefit to those actively playing not the afk minority of the game. The game makes you play enough to cap about, about as much as a part time job. The grind effect is something we all want to see eliminated, whether is through rollover sp or some other system. CCP has a ways to go to make this grind feeling go away, I for one don't even want to have to think about a cap again, if I'm not on, it will be there when I get back.
Get rid of active SP or only pay out 1/10 of normal active. That's the only way to fix grinding. A roll over cap does nothing to help. People are going to complain and cry no matter what CCP does so they should just turn on the hardcore switch and the give triple SP days one at a time about once every two months.
We complain that noobs are so far behind but yet we demand more SP for everything we do. We complain about the grind that no one is forced to do. We complain about everything that they try to do to fix the complaining. Bunch of babies. Turn the game on hard mode and quit trying to placate theses crying players.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1120
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:27:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea!  What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time?  Or I could just AFK 
Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1121
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:04:00 -
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Asirius Medaius wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. If you do that, then you will take almost half of the community out. Blame the problem, not the symptom (I hope this doesn't go over your head, since I really hate explaining elementary concepts...).
The problem is greedy players and complainers nothing else. I guess it is over my head so why don't you explain it to me.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1121
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:06:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. And then half of the dust community would quit
Good. they are not contributing to the game at all by sitting in the MCC and making people mad only to come the forums and either brag about cheating or cry about not being able to cheat enough.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1121
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:08:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players.
I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue.
I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread.
What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1123
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:20:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:
I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community
Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1123
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:29:00 -
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Nyx Linx wrote:No wp, no triple sp. why would they reward afkers?
It is very much like pulling over a speeding car for speeding and then give them a check for cheaper insurance. I could care less about AFKers but when they complain and/or brag about AFKing then it is too much.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1123
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:37:00 -
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Justice Prevails wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players.
I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue.
I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread.
What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. You do know that the accrual of sp is the main reason people play this game? Thats why ccp makes money off boosters. I have never afk'd and never plan to, but I'm also not a protostompin wp *****. Thats who this event really benefits. And if your on the other side of the stompin, your 2x screwed because the rest of your team is AFKing.
More SP is a great reason to play a game. I am not telling people how to play the game but it is a slap in the face to "active" players who can't play as often as they like. I had a guy in squad chat bragging about having two ps3 and playing on one and AFKing on another to make ISK to transfer. ISK is too easy to make and SP is too easy to make. This game was supposed to be about shooting people in the face, having fun with you friends and advancing whatever agenda you support.
It has turned into a bunch of criers who cheat for what they have and then complain that it isn't enough. I like the boosters - event though I don't use them - and I think that they are good for the game. This event benefits everyone but it shouldn't benefit cheaters.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1123
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:42:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players.
I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue.
I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread.
What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. I don't think passive or active SP or the grind or anything like that is the issue that people complain about. The issue they are complaining about at the moment is that people don't want to play for 20-30 hours this week to get the bonus. The issue holding the game back at the moment is that there is ZERO incentive to actually play the game. You get SP for AFK and you actually profit much more from an ISK standpoint if you do nothing in matches.
That is why it is bad and AFKing should be fixed. It is sad that a merc can do better watching TV and pressing a button every few minutes than a person who is actually fighting. The game has always been boring and until more content is released that gives us a feeling of a complete game then it will continue to bore the players. 2 years of solid PvP is old. If I wanted to pvp constantly with the same group of people I would go get a 2 year old copy of COD.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1124
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:19:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community
Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk
I know why they cheat and it doesn't help the fact that they are cheating. Punish cheaters and reward players not the other way around.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1124
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:23:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:It is so obvious that it's an issue, but CCP and many of the CPM think that the passive gameplay is okay or not a problem.
I had a chat with one of the CPM and he just couldn't understand where I was coming from that a player earns a higher profit from not fighting than those who do.
I felt like jamming my head through a wall while talking to him. The incentives or lack thereof are killing the game.
Incentives or the lack of them isn't what will kill the game. The game is already dead if they don't make it fun and stop exploiters from cheating. Enable FF in MCC after 45 seconds with no penalty and put a timer in the red zone that makes you enter a randomly generated code to stay in the red without being kicked.
If you are redlined then the timer doesn't matter because you have already lost.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1140
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:04:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Here's my take on a SP system that has both passive and active.
Active SP , and contract ISK pay out, is only awarded for earned WP. No WP earning possible inside the MCC. I know this will hurt low WP earners, myself being one of them, but I'd rather have a whole team participating and actually trying than part of them AFKing. This would allow CCP ot raise, if not eliminate, the weekly SP cap.
Passive SP get's boosted by an extra fifty to one-hundred percent.
PS: If I had my way, the only rewards for battles would be ISK and salvage with an entirely passive SP system.
My problem with active SP is that it cracks the door open for boosters, exploiters and cheaters. It also encourages people to play for points not to play for fun or for glory.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1140
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:06:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:
PS: If I had my way, the only rewards for battles would be ISK and salvage with an entirely passive SP system.
I would be all for it as well, but there is this little problem: For a lot of the people still playing Dust, capping their sp is one of the things keeping them here. Remove active sp, and you remove their reason for playing so many hours. Lower playing population. On the other hand, maybe more newbies would remain in the game if it was not such a grindfest.
If the only thing keeping the players here is a false sense of accomplishment brought on by grinding then we lost those players a long time ago and they just don't know it.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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